Asking for reviews is good, if we don't ask, we don't get, right? Asking is not good if there holding a fic hostage. Yeah its bad, although some are so desperate for reviews they do anything, which is sad really.
I'm on MediaMinor, I even uploaded one fic and never went back, there uploading process is a real pain. I remember it was awkward as it asked for so much. As Anime/Manga end they do get less popular. I think Naruto is still popular, its still talked about, I'm not a big fan of it myself.12/11/2011 #31 Report
Yeah, its the truth. I hope to be published some day. I hear about rejection letters. Yeah, withholding stuff is wrong, off topic but thats what Microsoft does, when buying a new PC they want you to buy to unlock office which is very expensive! Adultfanfiction.net...don't go there if your obsessed with reviews! I've been publishing there for years and I can still count all my received reviews with my fingers.12/11/2011 #32 Report
AFF has been so slow lately, the site used to be a lot neater and cleaner like ff.n. It's always a hassle now to find the storie section I want to read I don't get on much anymore, that and few updates :c I want to make an account but I have to finish my stories here first and the accounts I have on mediaminer, don't get me started. their all back from 1999 and 2000 lol those stories I have to completely revamp it's just sad.
The ratings here have taken so many changes, I can't keep up. They used to have NC-17 here but too many kids were reading those stories and it got banned. I remember X and so on and so forth. I don't see the difference of M being better, it's the same to me. Mature, NC-17, X-rated. All the same technically. Not for kids eyes, but whatever. It's a shame some people just make things more difficult with complaing about content. It's called if you don't like it why are you reading it under those ratings, go back to selecting PG-13 and under stories, durrr.
Congrats Danyealle on getting published! All my original stories have yet to even get more then three chapters out lol it's just easier right now for my to use characters that have all ready been created then make my own :c I always get stuck with the personalities. I have a few friends who are published and I myself got laughed at by a publisher when I shows my... well lack there of, portfolio.
A lot of people here can't stand beta readers but being published means you *normally* have an editor or sometimes more then one depending. Manga's normally have entire teams of editors and such.
Any tips for someone who can't get passed writers block lol cause I need all the help I can get :c I figured trying to complete my stories on here I could move on and continue my original works but still zip zilch nadda lol I'm a sad soul.
Beywriter, unfortunately, Microsoft is NOTHING like being a writer. Not even close.
Microsoft with-holds those products to make more money and they can.
Many authors don't make money off of writing. Think about the fact that J.K. Rowling is rich because she had that ONE BIG HIT, the first book was so popular the movies were in contract and productions before the second book even came out. It only takes one book to be big but the majority of authors will go there ENTIRE careers as authors and never have a best seller. That's why I know I have to have a job and let writing be a hobby for now because if you don't have that hit, you'll keep writing and only barely make it by. Sad but true.
If you start a series and just hold it out, your publishers will tell you go get another publisher. In this career it takes money to make money. They'd likely call you a brat and say if you don't write, then we won't employ you. It's your JOB to write as an author. you don't produce you make no money and people won't even bother picking up any books with your name on it knowing it's gonna be a waste of time, and by only giving out a little and withholding the rest, why would anyone by an incomplete series?
Here on FF.N that's fine, withhold it. I garantee it doesn't even give you much more reviews then you'd get by posting more chapters. A few here and their by angry readers maybe. A couple for every year it's discontinued, whereas a couple reviews per chapter even if it's a few months inbetween would grant you more. Think of the big picture.12/11/2011 #33 Report
That Microsoft thing was only a comparison to the subject. I forget now but I was using it to compare, I can see how you might have gotten confused, my bad. AFF has always been slow. This is going waay of topic, all this talking wont stop people from faving and not reviewing or whatever.
Little tired so I'll stop there, thats a huuuge reply! lol12/11/2011 #34 Report
lol sorry I was writing to you and Danyealle, the length of a reply doesn't matter at all it's what said that does.
As for the microsoft thing, yeah, I got that you were trying to compare it, but I guess you didn't realize I was saying it can't work as a comparison since it's such a different thing and has nothing to do with writing. Theres no way to compare the two.12/11/2011 #35 Report
I'm sick of those codes I need to keep typing...yeah they can't be compared that's why I guessed you were confused, it was all I could think of even though they cant be compared.12/11/2011 #36 Report
I'll admit that when I see the little email from fanfiction telling me I have a review alert it will get me more excited then if I were to find a subscription or favorited story alert which honestly I get way more of then reviews -_- everyone loves reviews your right but review whores just...stop1/2/2012 #37 Report
Review whoring is a terrible thing that is on this site. And despite this being quite the old forum, I do notice some recent activity in it. Thought I could toss in a few cents into the subject perhaps.
Since I'm, ahem, writing for the Pokémon section ( go ahead and judge me) which is a very large section, there is an occurence that people are not judging story by title or description. People judge them by review count. High review count = good story.
And due to the large nature of that section, there are lots of new stories everyday, meaning new stories are bumped off and "high review" stories are sought after due to this prejudie against stories with low rev' count.
One of the most despised attempts at whoring for reviews is stories that involves asking readers to submit their own OCs. Not only is it shameless, but it actually violates the sites' rules.1/31/2012 #38 Report
Okay now I've seen many MANY people review whoring and they would deny it this way. A lot of people will use these excuses but dears, there is no excuse.
"I like the feedback."
Okay, we like feedback but this is a non-profit site. We use fanfiction as a sourse for our OWN enjoyment. We have a specific genre we like and we read what WE would like to happen or we WRITE what we'd like to happen if no one has our specific idea's in mind.
It bugs me because when I look through almost any category, there is an overload of "OCxOC" or "NowhomosexualcharacterxAnotherturnedhomosexualcharacter". Fangirls, teenage girls, authoresses writing about how male leads who have no compassion for each other whatsoever magically fall in love. And there is a massive market for this - girls supporting each other, saying these stories are the "best thing ever" and "rly gud" and "original". 1, subjective, as always, but come on, how many of these OCxCanoncharacter stories do you read that are actually good. Fine, pull up a few. The majority are constant repeats. In the moment, it's frustrating. Second, original? Ha.
Feedback is great but it's up to you to write the story. Feedback doesn't write the story, we do and if we all get such little feedback, which most do, then no stories would be written.
My theory is that the stories that appeal to a common formula get the most feedback. In other words, if you don't write porn, yaoi, or romance, or happen to be related or connected to a multitude of people, you're pretty much screwed here. I've seen some lengthy novellas written here, some got their due, a lot of others... they've been on here for YEARS and got less than 10 reviews. Try to go into any category today and tell me you don't find 6 stories that are small, unoriginal, possess a Mary Sue, or are held up as an "author's first" (ha, get it?) that end up with a huge number of reviews from random people or actual users. Alright, there's a line between "cheering the author up" and "inspiring them to become a better writer" but I've been horribly jaded to believe that this balance has slipped into the negative, ugly head of simply promoting the production of lackadaisical fanfiction.
"It helps me improve as a writer."
I could say that if I got any.
That would be great! If only it were true. It only takes one comment to tell you what you can do to improve. They can tell you it all in one comment and come on... let's be truthful here. Most comments host sayings like, "OMG GREAT!", "MORE SOON!", "LGJLRSFGMJ UPDATE!" "YOU ARE THE BEST, THIS STORY IS THE BEST HERE! UPDATE!" yeah, where in those comments did you hear something that makes you improve?
You understand one of my older dilemmas: When I used to torment myself wondering why I couldn't get these outstanding acknowledgements, I too realized that these were hollow, ego-inflating comments. At the risk of credibility, this was an arrow to my knee that made me hate the Fanfiction community for a little why. Sure, I just wanted to have my ego fluffed, but then again... that means that not every story with 1,000+ reviews is actually well-written. It could mean that one fanatic decided to review each chapter less sproadically than most, and that they could just be saying "wow, this is great!". This is part of my "review whoring" problem as well I suppose. I hate the general populace of what I suspect to be teenage girls glomping the review section.
... yeah, didn't think so. Those comments did one thing and that was make us feel good. In the real world you get good comments but ALWAYS with critism or you get MEAN comments that tell us all the bad it has. Oh and most the good comments are just summaries of what the story has to offer. Yeah, this is a fansite after all. You really have no right to let your ego go when all the comments given have no acual relevance to the work.
That doesn't represent all of us.
See, I'd welcome constructive criticism. I'm not a complete ass, I'd actually like for someone to be very honest with me.
How often do I get that? How often does anyone get that? From what I've seen, which may be very little in the entirety of this site, very few of us. I once saw a Haruhi Suzumiya fic that was discontinued NOT because the author wasn't GETTING reviews. He stopped because he was tired of GETTING shitty reviews like the ones you mentioned.
When I first heard this, I was PISSED. I wanted to wring this guy's neck, the writer of Kyon: Big Damn Hero, for being such an arrogant ass. He had the number of reviews I LUSTED FOR. I wanted that attention, I deserved all of that attention! But no. He gets it, and throws it away.
That was the moment I came to the same conclusion you did, and I accepted that the author was right. Those reviews were completely meaningless. Just ego-patting, unhelpful reviews.
But on the same hand, that also made me turn on the community. I think the community itself is lazy. But it's fanfiction, so the concept in of itself is a story inspired by someone else's work or franchise. There's really no way for me to argue this saying that there's unbridled amounts of originality that go into fanfiction or something stupid like that.
I simply dislike the lack of constructive criticism I see or get, and after running through Plans A-Z on how to get some form of following or honest review, I'm temporarily disillusioned. Yes, that's melodramatic, but really, when's the last time you got a decent review of something? The proper response to this thread is to simply bow your head and applaud the fact that it is an addiction, but that's not the problem we're all sharing. I'm sick of writing things out for lazy people, people who can't even tell me if I'm doing a terrible job. I can always improve, we can always improve, but when you've written a 10,000 word story that has three reviews, and only about 10 people have read the latest chapter, how else would you feel?
It's like being in the Olympics and getting 1st place, but getting 5 minutes of screen times while 2nd and 3rd place get cash rewards, convertibles, and press conferences. Why did you spend all that time training and getting better to bring home the gold when the people you beat are the ones getting national media coverage? It's a crappy feeling. It's like no matter how hard you work at something, the girl next to you who spent 5 minutes writing her story, doesn't know what Spellcheck is, and is obsessed with Batman falling in love with the Joker will get twice as many reviews as you, filled with "this story is amazing" and "update more plz!". Really, you have less than 24 hours to get your story noticed before it gets bumped down by stories that just happen to update almost at the exact same time you did. Be they continuations of an epic story or a 16-year old who wanted to write what they felt would happen should Male A not have a god complex and Male B not be a neurotic freak and if they were lovers. Or maybe shotas. Pure lemons. Etc. It's so. damn. annoying.
Forgive me, this is pretentious and arrogant.
I just recently had a "Vegeta" moment here so when I found this thread I was compelled to add my two cents.
What annoys me the most is that in about 24 hours I'll be back at the grapevine trying to write more unworthy crap that gets pushed down by other stuff. I recently saw a story that shared the same concept as my own that had more reviews than my did, and I started it about two months earlier, and it had about 3 reviews.
I think reviews are like candy. You don't want to share, you want good ones, you don't take them from strangers or creepy old men, and we all want them when we're kids.2/12/2012 . Edited 2/12/2012 #39 Report
Reviews are like methylamphetamines. They're addictive but eventually begging for them is going to get you in a world of hurt.
For bad reviews, remember, if someone has a problem with what you're writing, its THEIR problem. It isn't as if you're forcing them to read your Power Rangers/Harr Potter/X-Man/Mega Force/Transformers/Star Trek/Star Wars/Narudo Jedi Harry/Het-Harem/FemSlash story.
If you want more reviews for your story, try responding to the ones you have received and thank the people who took the 30 seconds to write one.
If you want to improve your writing, find a Beta. THEY will tell you what you need to do to patch up the plot holes, improve your grammar and correct your spelling.
I have a weird self-imposed rule. If I read a chapter and I enjoy it, I write a review. If I liked 37 out of 40 of the chapters you wrote, you will get 37 reviews from me, and each one of them is thoughtful, grammatically correct and is intended to be a positive experience for the author. You will also likely get 3 PMs explaining the reasons I felt the other 3 chapters were not review worthy.
I feel this is my way of paying the author for sharing their story. I, by no means, expect people to do this for my stories.
When I want to know how well people are tracking my stories, I look at the story stats. When I see 16k hits and 10k visitors for a first chapter and that number only goes down to 12k/9k and chapter 12 has 10k/8k within a week of me publishing it, I know people are reading it and continuing to enjoy it.
Do I want to know the reasons those 6k/2k people stopped reading it? Sure, in some deep, dark corner of my mind. But to me, *I* enjoy writing the stories. If people don't enjoy reading them, either I will finally write something they do, or I will have to be satisfied with a dedicated, though limited, group of readers.
I learned fairly early on that begging for reviews is a huge turn-off to readers. So if you won't update unless you get an arbitrary threshold of reviews, enable anonymous reviews and have someone run AutoReviewer against your stories. Just don't expect your writing to get any better.2/27/2012 . Edited 2/27/2012 #40 Report
And for those of you who do enjoy receiving reviews, regardless of their content, let me show you how to interpret short, pointless reviews so you can continue to stroke your egos.
Example Review 1: Update soon please
Each word actually represents an entire paragraph. The reviewer is simply knowledgeable in the shorthand of fan fiction and presumes the author is as well.
"Update" is equivalent to "I thoroughly enjoyed your story so far and cannot wait to read the further chapters of your story. Your characterization and your plot are far more plausible than any of the drivel I have put together and published here, which is one of the many reasons I read your amazing, though incomplete, works."
"Soon" is equivalent to "Your stories are my drugs of choice. I cannot see, I cannot breathe, I cannot live vicariously through your characters in my dreams unless you publish more of the story. It is so good, in fact, that the author of the original works should be sending you royalty payments for doing such a superb job of writing better than he/she did when they wrote the original story, nevermind the fact that neither you nor I could conceive of the original characterizations, which the original author stole/paralleled from an early anime/pulp fiction/F&SF story. Also, please know my attention span and powers of recollection are poor, however, so please post a new chapter, even if it is only 300 words long."
"Please" is equivalent to "I beg of you! Don't let it be like the original "Battlestar Galactica" and end 8 too many episodes after your ideas ran out and you started rehashing episodes of "Emergency" or "Star Trek". Keep the idea fresh and let us swim in the illuminated, bright world you provide for us. Even now I can feel the air in my basement corner where I masturb... er... read your stories becoming stale. I am suffocating from the lack of available fan fiction and need YOUR story to survive the onslaught of my Prozac crash. Update Soon Please!"2/27/2012 #41 Report
Yeah. I always get excited, hard not to but there's always that looming thought that goes down my spine...then when its confirmed I get sicker, guess I can't get my hopes up. Mostly doomed to fail. Wow now I sound so depressing.2/27/2012 #42 Report
Hi I totally agree to you EkaSwede. I wont judge. I really loved the original Pokémon series. So yeah I get what your saying and agree. I've seen stories in my fandom where they ask for the exact same thing. Its quite a problem.2/27/2012 #43 Report
Hi Eugar. Wow you bring some good points to the table. Since its late I wont comment about all the things you said. I like to keep things short and sweet...like my reviews *cough*. YES! I've seen OCxOC stuff. I ignore those fics because I'm funny, when I read fanfiction I like to picture the scenes and the voices of the characters with there voice actors reading the lines. off topic btw am I the only one that does this? Back on track. I don't write advanced smut anymore, its in my past as I want to get to more proper stories than one shot lemons. Some of these new authors even are posting bits of there fics in the synopsis, I ignore those, especially those that say "summary inside". Anyway back on track, sorry for going off topic.
I think reviews do help improve but I rarely get them so its kind of difficult for people to assist me. Some reviews I don't even count as helpful reviews, specifically those "update plz" sort of things. Personally I'd like a teeny bit more detail. Even reviews like "wow this is great" sort of thing would be better. I should stay on topic, guess I'm a little more tired than I thought. Someone I knew was driven to whoring for reviews because they were getting so little. I did try to talk them out of it but no luck. I wont be going down the same path. I accept reviews from logged in and not logged in, I like to thank those who have taken the time to comment.
Yeah I've seen stories with huge ammounts. I admit I'm jealous. I guess I just write for a dying fandom, more popular ones would get more reviews...and more faves. At the weekend I got 2 faves by 2 users. Every time this happens I go to there page and see if they have any fics and I open some and look for if there asking reviews. Most are asking for reviews and I'm thinking "Your asking but not giving...what is wrong with you?".
Linking the reviews to candy. Not a bad description.2/27/2012 #44 Report
Hi DLRP. Yeah they pretty much are. I agree, its good to have a Beta reader. Thats actually a really good rule you have going there. I guess its successful. I take a look at the stats alot myself. Mostly I look at the hits. It seems to me and forgive me if I've already said this but its almost like faving is the reviewing of the future for some. This drives people to review whoring. Some probably consider faving without reviewing selfish. I've always had anonymous reviewings added. Belive me it hasn't helped one bit. I like to give everyone a chance.2/27/2012 #45 Report
Continued I guess. I guess thats an interesting way of decoding the shorter of the reviews people can get. Although I don't really "stroke my ego".2/27/2012 #46 Report
All authors love any kind of feedback, the ones that are well thought out are the best. you know the ones, where they compliment your writing skills on grammar, attention to detail and description, character development, plot development among others things like when they can mention something that happened in your story that they particularly liked. Those reviews, are the best but this section, GW/SM hardly any one reviews and it's very discouraging to the writers.
With so little feedback, the authors have a hard time writing and fewer stories are being updated and even fewer are being made which makes for a section with a dwindling number of readers, let alone reviewers.
That is why as authors, we need to start picking up the slack. You want feedback? Then GIVE feedback. Don't just expect to get it if you can't support your fellow authors. Read and review THEIR stories, and make sure you update, and stay an active member with writing.
In any section I've seen, those who update frequently get more feedback because that is what the readers and reviewers enjoy the most. Also, we have to edit our chapters, work on our writing skills because simply updating quickly isn't enough to draw in their attention.
As long as a story is updated at least once a month, I personally see a big difference. Still less then three years ago, but more then if I didn't update. We as the authors need to start supporting each other, making new stories, revising and finishing our current ones and reading and reviewing our fellow authors if we are EVER going to bring this section back to life.
If we can do that, more readers will flock to GW/SM and then the busier this place gets, I garantee more people will review but now it's up to us, because if we the authors don't do anything, this place will probably die and it's not like it's not enjoyable. As an author I LOVE writing! I ALSO would love to read more stories, so it's worth it, I came to ff.n because reading made me happy, and soon I wanted to write stories that I wanted to read but weren't made and writing then too, made me happy.
So far this section as already been more lively, but we need more people updating and making stories, and it's up to us authors to help support each other.
So right now, I encourage everyone here to write. Follow these steps.
Watch the anime, subtitled. Gundam Wing and Sailor Moon.
Watch AMVS on youtube.
Read the manga on mangafox or mangastyle.
Go on Deviantart and browse.
Reread your FAVORITE Sailor Moon/Gundam Wing stories.
If you have your own story, reread it, edit it if you need to and UPDATE!
Write down all your ideas! Make a plan, map it out and WRITE!
It's very simple. We can either bitch about how we get no feedback, or not the kind we like, or we can keep writing and show the READERS and REVIEWERS that we WILL update so they'll WANT to read these stories. We give them the hope that we WON'T be discontinueing or keeping our stories on hold, and they'll REVIEW but we, WE have to do it because the readers and reviewers are disappointed in us because of lack of updates, how long they have to wait they end up forgetting the story because they figure it's taken so long, the author must have given up so the readers give up too.
Reviews are our reward for writing, for updating. We shouldn't EVER expect to get them, or feel like their OWED to us. NO, reviews are our REWARD for writing, for updating and enjoying it and hoping that others do too.
I hope to see some of you writing, get to it. Be proactive, because simply complainging isn't helping. Not updating in hopes for more reviews is not helping, so maybe, just MAYBE if we actually give the people what they want (more story variety, new stories, updates) then they'll actually care again. One way to find out, so let's do it.4/27/2012 #47 Report
I would say your comments are applicable far more broadly than to just GW/SM. In point of fact, I appreciated your inclusion at the end of your post explaining what GW/SM was an abbreviation for, as I was guessing and those guesses were completely wrong. Somehow Ginevra Weasley / Sad0-Masichism is not something I had ever heard of as a fan fiction genre and was not surprised there were few stories in such a genre.
I will, however, be taking your advice and exploring Gundam Wing and Sailor Moon as apparently my Little Love knows what both of those are and has some of them on DVD.
You provide an excellent perspective and I agree that reviews are our rewards. I also feel that when authors are readers, our price of reading the works of others is to provide reviews and constructive criticism, even if it is for a story from an established author for stories with already-high review counts. If I enjoyed a story, it is my responsibility to spend the time to provide a thoughtful review. That being said, as an author, I do not expect it as my due for readers to review. I wish more of them would, and I do tend to respond to almost every review I receive in the form of a PM back to the reviewer. Rarely do I pad my word counts with Author's Notes. Some authors, in my opinion, go too far over the edge and write 3,000 words of author notes answer reviews and only 2000 words of story.4/27/2012 #48 Report
Someone may have already said this, but I adore reviews... ANY reviews for that matter... because it tells me that my story is simply being READ. That's all I care about. Yeah, they make me feel good, but they also make me feel like I'm not wasting my damned time. I have plenty of little short stories in notebooks, written in longhand, that I wrote simply for the pleasure of writing them. But the ONE that I've written on ff.net and bothered to post, I posted because I thought it was good and that others would enjoy it. And btw, Jessica, thank you again for getting me off my lazy ass. Thursday!! I promise!4/28/2012 #49 Report
I agree with Nerf-or-Nothing. Alot of valid points are made. I don't know what its like writing for those but I can tell you writing in my specialist section of Beyblade only brings the faves. Lazy...I got 3 last week alone but I will not review whore which as we all know and have said is equally as bad. Every time I get a review, I always thank them. Yeah I'll just say you have covered all the points well. I review everything I read to sort of pay the author back for there hard work because I go through the same myself.4/29/2012 #50 Report
Don't get me wrong. I, too, adore reviews. For me, however, someone adding my story to their favourites is a review saying, "I liked your story enough to add it to my favourites so that others can have an opportunity to read the stories I enjoy." For someone to write a review of more than 10 words, or even better, someone who writes a review or PM with constructive criticism is the ultimate compliment. Those, to me, say, "I am enjoying your story so much and the only thing you could do to make it even better would be..." If your donkey or burro is slothful, for what reason would you continue to ride it until Thursday?4/29/2012 #51 Report
One thing you can do, as well, to garner additional reviews, is send a PM to those readers who add your story to their favourites and thank them and ask them to write a review. It gives them a thrill that the author of a story they just added to their favourites is taking time away from their busy writing schedule (it is very difficult to speak when one's tongue is in one's cheek) to send them a 'thank you' note and can usually induce the most reticent reader to give you, at minimum, a one-line review of "Great Story! Update soon!" (see my first reply to this thread).4/29/2012 #52 Report
Just an observation from the past and what i see working in the archive... there does seem to be something called review karma. That means the more reviews you leave, the more apt you'll be to get them in return. When people see that you're willing to take the time to review them and are consistent at that, they seem to take that as encouragement and do so in return. There is something that has helped on other sites as well. Most set up something like a review association. You do so many a month for those that either have none at all or are seriously under-reviewed and leave them a good, honest review, be in concrit or not. That also seems to ungum the gears! It also seems to give things a good poke the right direction in fandoms that are older or don't get the love them deserve.
LOL and to the one that asked me for tips (sorry, I've been so busy that my backside is barely catching up to me most days), shoot me a site PM with what you need and will help all i can. Don't count on much though!4/29/2012 #53 Report
I have PM'd those who fave and review to ask for a review but it never worked. I didn't want to get reported so I stopped. Review karma, seems plausible to me.4/29/2012 #54 Report
Something happened to me this morning which I think is related. I woke up and checked my emails. 19, a little surprised so I logged in and found 19 fave without reviews! 19! Isn't that the kind of stuff that can send someone to start review whoring if someone adds stories like friends to facebook for a competition of who has the most faved stories? I'm not going to say who did it but I have promptly blocked them. I have a rule that if 3 or more are faved without a review I block them.5/2/2012 #55 Report
Hm, honestly, that is harsh. You basically have a fan, faving your story because they like it and out of hundreds of stories, they chose yours to favorite. I have yet to see anyone whom has an entire section favorited.
As for the facebook thing I really just don't get how you can compare that to this. When my story is favorite clicked; authors, readers AND reviewers can't see that. Only I can see how many people have favorite or alert -ed my story. Only me, unlike facebook which IS a popularity contest and is only so because EVERYONE can see EVERYTHING.
I often read other peoples reviews. I reread my own reviews. Aside from getting a short worded update, which I STILL love, I adore more the ones correcting my mistakes or praising my ability but I've come to love a whole different kind of review all together.
It made me remember what reviews can also be about. I love the reviews that mentions something from my story or chapter. They either quote the part they liked, or they talk about either the setting, plot or the characters personality or actions that actually took place in my story that they particularly liked.
That being said, I also am not mad people aren't reviewing me lol been there done that saw how SELFISH and POINTLESS it was.
By review whoring, I don't mean that you can't say "Review me!" By review whoring I mean don't say, "Review me or I won't update." or "I want -insert number here- Reviews or I won't update!" or "If you don't review me I will abandon and or delete my story!"
I still ask for reviews. I still update when I don't get them. I write in gundam wing/sailor moon mainly, which is also where this forum is posted ;p, and that section barely gets any reviewers. It would literally devastate me if any of those authors stopped writing because of lack of reviews because as authors, the only way to get more people to review, is to adhere to what the fans want. More stories. Stories that actually get finished. Stories that don't go months or years without updates.
It took me since 2000 when I first came to this website to realize this. I only realized this, this year. 2012. That is just sad of me but I'm doing my best now.
I'm trying to revive this section from the grave. Do you know what was one of the main reasons that killed it? Review whores. I used to be one of them, until I made this thread and realized the error of my ways. Do you know how I learned that? Because I am not just an author, I'm a reader. I don't often get to reach much as life gets in the way, but I will read every story and REVIEW every story, even the bad ones, because I feel it is my civic duty as an author to help bring my favorite section back to life.
I've read one too many incredable stories out there, that are unfinished, some aren't due to reviewing, some are. It KILLS me, when I read such an amazing peice of work and it will never be finished and I will always wonder "what would have happened" if the author had actually finished it. Reading only the beginning, middle, end or even epilogue chapter AWAY from completed... makes me sad, angry, curious, FURIOUS and disappointed and sad again. Reading stories on ff.n inspired me to write in the first place.
I write now, to inspire others to start their work. I review without getting any reviews, because I will finish no matter what, every single story I've written on all of my accounts. Even the stories I haven't even written yet that are only in the idea phases. Even stories I had posted but removed. I am an author. This is NOT facebook and the amount of reviews on a story should not matter. They feel great but they are not what writing is about, at all.
To me reviews are like facebook actually. Because when you get a comment or like on a post(Mind you I am hardly EVER on facebook. I find it stupid and pointless to care, I use it to talk with my family and out of state friends.) it feels GOOD and you feel popular(Note facebook actually ruins lives because of this way of thinking.) and reviews NOT favorites are what everyone sees and it makes an author to feel good because of how many they have.
It would be healthier to realize, like facebook, it's not the amount of friends/family you have commenting or liking you that matter. So what if they don't, they are still your friends/family and you should be happy for that. That and also I've done the party thing. I was surrounded by friends. NOT. I was surrounded by people who PRETENDED to be my friend. They don't even like EACHOTHER. Well kind of, in a non-caring "I just wanna party, have a good time, what's good" kind of way that also meant "I could care less if you were in trouble, I talk smack about you when your backs turned, I had sex with your boyfriend/girlfriend and you don't know and I won't tell, if your not doing drugs or drinking or having sex with multiple guys your not cool" sort of way. Sadly, these kind of people generally have many friends and seem like their having fun all the time.
Yeah not. Inside their crying. Hell my exboyfriends mother told me about 'my ex's brother, who hangs around a few of the people I did, and said when he was in school despite being popular, he cried himself to sleep at night. Now as an adult my opinion of him is very poor lol for other reasons and I highly doubt he still cries himself to sleep lol but that's also because he cares most about himself, however he is also more humane then most of the people I used to hang with.
That being said, reviews are nice, but it's not a popularity contest. Being on the best seller list must be great but some genre/plots just get more fans then others, that's just how it is.
Because GW/SM doesn't get many reviews, does that mean I'm going to stop writing about it? Hell no! I love writing about all the different possibilites I can about my favorite character mixture lol.
Am I upset that that story has more reviews then mine even though I have more chapters? Because review ratio doesn't match? Hell no! Why? Because their two completely different stories! I wrote about so and so because I WANTED to and liked that idea. I didn't ask what everyone wanted to read. The other author did the same as me, but more people liked it but others liked mine too, so why should I be jealous. Heck even I LIKED their story, I'm not gonna be made I'm gonna wanna read more so I can write more! While it's not to have others like your story, its most important to like your own story.
This is fanfiction. A place people come to read about their favorite shows or movies even crossovers one never would have thought about. It's not ABOUT the authors. It's about the STORY. About their favorite CHARACTERS doing things they only WISHED could have been in the actual show, or an AU or alternate version of the SERIES they liked.
It's never been a contest, and I wish people would remember this. Because I didn't start writing for reviews. I wrote because no one else was writing what I wished someone would write about. If I can read an amazing peice of work, I am happy. If I can't, I will make myself happy, and write it myself.
That ALSO being said. I still love reviews and I still ask for them, but I also realize that if I want reviews I have to WORK for it.
I have to make new stories. I have to improve myself as a writer. With how I develop my plotline. How I develop my characters. How I make my characters interact. How I describe things. How I progress my story. How I pay enough attention to detail, but I also don't overdose on detail. How my grammar is. How my vocabulary is. How many story varieties I write. How my style of writing is. I have to grow, not for just reviewers but myself and my love for writing, cause I've read back some of my stories and I literally cringed where I saw I could do better.
Fans want to read multiple types of stories, so try your hand at different types.
Fans want a story easy on the eyes, so grammar and all that matter.
Fans want quick timely updates.
Fans also want feedback from authors. Let them know who much you appreciate their feedback. They deserve it, because they didn't have to as we all know to well.
Fans want you to update until you finish your story.
I am going to do all of those, and I encourage authors to do the same.
The most important thing about writing is to enjoy it for ones self. If one or many people like it, be grateful in whatever way they let you know, and do your best to improve, and more people will likely review and even if they don't, it's not about them. It's about the author and their art. Because writing is art for an author, just like an artist paints or draws or whatever, as their art.
C: Wooo that was a lot to write. Anywho, Megakat c: lol I just realized the connection from your name and you pename :P I'm in love with what you have so far. jfshkjdshh -I is fangirl lol5/2/2012 #56 Report
My fault in one way, should have made it clear that the user faved 19 different stories. That probably clears it up, if not I'm not sure what I can say. I'm just a little sad I lost out on 19 reviews but oh well. Yeah that sure is alot of text! You could probably write a book with those things you said. It took me a few mins to skim read but I think I got the general point of what your saying. I too do not care for that site. I don't even have an account but I know of the popularity with friends that go on there. Used to be on Myspace. I figured I should share my latest experience and maybe we could coin a new phrase? Favewhoring? how does that sound? Okay that's a little off topic I know. Its not the first time this has happened to me, thankfully its only the second. I Wish I knew what was going through the users mind at the time.
Yeah your probably write, a fan I guess but...sigh...I spent hours...days working on those fics the person faved, she couldn't spend a moment to share a comment, like I said I wish I could know what's going on in there minds.
When people fave my work I like to go on there stories and see if they have asked for reviews. Sometimes they do ask but they do not give? It puzzles me but I don't think too much of it because it would be a simple waste of my time.5/2/2012 #57 Report
Had you considered dropping the person a PM and asking them what, specifically, they liked about the stories you wrote to Favourite so many? There are authors for whom all of their stories are on my favourites list. You will, of course, also find that there is at least one, and likely one for every chapter, review from me for their stories. I am apparently the exception and not the rule.5/2/2012 #58 Report
I've done that in the past but I sort of think its a little wrong to do that somehow. I think it only worked once although I only did that twice I think.5/2/2012 #59 Report
I don't like review whores having been one myself in my early career.
People who demand for reviews in a chapter (eg. threaten to discontinue story) prompt me to not review.
Some of my stories aren't doing as well, but I still update them because I want to read and share them with the world. If someone likes it enough to review, then that's great but it's not my motivation. Yes, it can be frustrating when someone faves a story but doesn't review, but there's nothing I can do about it. I simply tell them 'thanks for faving :)'.
I review everything I come across, bad or good.5/4/2012 #60 Report