So... I really want to have a friendly debate about this. Do not get really serious about it, it's just bantering. Personally, I am pro-K/S because... it's canon. :D

Anyone who wants to join in, please, feel free.

11/15/2009 #1 Report

Honestly I am pro K/S because it seems like the most legit pairing on Star Trek. When you think about the existing extremely close relationship between Kirk and Spock, it makes sense that they could go the next step into a relationship. I feel that K/S slash would be the perfect proof that people in same sex relationship that means more than sex.

3/14/2010 #3 Report

I'm not interested in shipping Kirk and Spock as lovers, I think they are always going to be friends as that is when their bond is the strongest, that's pretty much it.

8/14/2010 #5 Report

that was an interesting read, thanks for sharing =D

when I was younger, them being lovers didn't cross my mind, but now that I'm older it is indeed obvious and very cute. I can understand people who don't want them to be lovers, just friends. I respect their point of view. So I won't try to convince people that they are together if they don't want to believe it.

4/19/2011 #7 Report

It is not debatable that they love each other, as Gene Roddenberry said the following concerning the relationship of Kirk and Spock:

"Yes, there's certainly some of that -- certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal-- we never suggested in the series-- physical love between the two. But it's the-- we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century."

However, the verdict is definitely still open as to whether or not they have ever at any point had a "physical" relationship. If I interpret this quote correctly, there's no defining proof within cannon that they have ever exchanged anything more...tangible, shall I say...than strong emotions, but it is still quite a possibility as they certainly loved each other enough and such a thing could be not-unheard of for their time period.

Quite honestly I would rather not imagine their relationship as sexual, because quite frankly I think penises are gross. But I do like to imagine that the way they feel for one another transcends the need for sexual intimacy, as I can't possibly imagine a more intimate experience than to be able to actually see into the mind of the person you love (as in a mind meld). They also seem to be described as having a continual mind meld-esque connection that transcends time and space.This connection was after all one of the things that made completing the Kolinahr so difficult, as he could "sense" that Kirk was in some sort of trouble. How can someone possibly be more intimate with another person than by literally sharing part of one's brain and personality with another person, all day, every day?

But interestingly enough, my argument for why their love isn't necessarily of a sexual nature almost proves that their relationship is sexual.

In Amok Time, the Vulcan mating bond is described as, "Never and always touching and touched, parted from me and never parted," which I interpret to mean "I can feel your mind regardless of whether or not we are touching, and your presence regardless of whether or not you are actually there." This seems to me to describe in essence the bizarre connection that exists between Kirk and Spock. Now I may be mixing up cannon and non-cannon, but I believe there were certain instances where they were somehow separated without knowledge of the other's location, and yet one would have a sense of what the other's environment was like. If this is something that has happened in cannon, this would verify the parted but never parted aspect. As for the "never and always touching and touched" aspect, I remember that when either Kirk or Spock died, the other experienced a very unpleasant sensation of that connection snapping as the connection was broken between their minds. As a result of all this, Kirk and Spock essentially had a bond mate-like connection with one another. This doesn't necessarily mean that it was a bond mate connection, but there are some other interesting things that make me wonder.

One big one is that in the many many years that Spock served with Kirk, there are only two instances where Spock has a dilemma involving Pon Farr: the first was of course in Amok Time, and the second was in Star Trek 3 when he grew up really fast. So, how did he manage to stay alive? Of course it's not unreasonable to assume that he scheduled a trip to Vulcan every seven years to take care of business. Except for one thing, which is that after he and T'pring divorced, he didn't remarry, and so he didn't have anyone to return to and take care of business with. So this of course leads to the conclusion that he had been taking care of business with that one human he's closer to than anyone else in the universe.

The first time I considered this I thought, "Wait no, there must be some reason that he couldn't have just had sex with one of the humans on the ship during Amok Time. He must need to do it with a Vulcan!" Then I remembered, NOPE, Spock's mom is a human. If Sarek could have a human bond mate, so can Spock. (Of course there are plenty who think that Spock ultimately ended up doing it with Kirk in Amok Time. I don't personally believe this happened, but there's not really a reason why it couldn't have happened.)

Another thing is that they touch each other, (and I mean this in a GENERAL sense). Everyone knows that Vulcans are touch telepathic, and as a result they really don't like to be touched due to the transference of thoughts and emotions that occurs. But Spock rarely becomes bothered by Kirk's touch. I have a feeling that Vulcans can sort of turn the ability on and off, but nonetheless, if rubbing fingers together is the Vulcan equivalent of making out, then how does a full embrace affect the mind of a Vulcan? How did it feel to Spock on the many occasions where Kirk did embrace him for any variety of reasons? And what about that rather funny little event where Spock slipped his hand into Janice Lester's while Kirk's mind was in her body? While this doesn't say much about sexual intimacy, it does verify a great emotional intimacy.

A final thing that I noticed is that there are definitely things they do only when no one's looking. One example of this would be that infamous scene where Spock pulls Kirk into the elevator while he has a nervous break down about his paranoia that he is loosing command. First, he half-buries his face in Spock's arm. Then, he freaks out and flings himself into the wall. Next, Spock walks over and leans in like he's going to hug him or something. Now that would have been suggestive enough as it was, but then Kirk pretty much leaps into his arms and clings to Spock as if he were life itself. Now I don't know about you but there are only two people I've ever done that to: my momma and long-term my partner, and Spock is definitely not Kirk's mom!

The other most obvious example would be when Kirk puts his hands on Spock's arms, obviously about to make some sort of emotional display, and Spock says, "Not in front of the Klingons." I don't honestly know what Kirk's intentions were but obviously Spock wanted it to be kept that way, at least in front of the Klingons. I understand that this was supposed to be comic relief, but it still goes to show that Spock does not oppose emotional exchange between himself and Kirk, so long as no one sees it and/or knows about it.

I believe that they irrefutably do in fact do intimate things behind closed doors, but determining what exactly they do is what makes the mystery. They could be rubbing their fingers together, or be having in-depth intellectual discussions, or playing naked chess, or hugging, or exploring new mind melding techniques, or having sex.

Who knows!?

p.s., Oh yes I have a lot of free time. My car has been in the shop for three weeks and the start of next semester is yet another week away. My day consisted of washing almost every dish in the house, exploring ways to make macaroni taste more interesting, and watching Star Trek. I really have nothing better to do.

8/13/2011 #9 Report

I always thougt about a sexual relationship between Spock and Kirk and I discovered the original series in 1991 in the age of twelve and of course had never heared of fanficton or slash of course..

I don´t think they really did it at all but I belive they wished to ..

And because I feel like the bond between them is more like love than friendship I whised them to have have sex and today I enjoy to read about it in a lot of fanfiction storys..

I hope you can understand my post well,otherwise I am very sorry and have to say english is just one of my second languages and I really do my best to phrase my sentences so well I´m able to ;-)

9/2/2011 #11 Report

At the end of "The Gallileo Seven" in the first series. Kirk sits down next to Spock and slides a hand across the back of Spock's chair as they continue to have a friendly 'argument' about Spock doing an act of desperation. This to me shows that the relationship between them is not entirly platonic! I don't think they are together though at least not in the first series (I havn't seen the other two yet)

I love their playful arguments and the OBVIOUS sexual tension! I am COMPLETLY pro-Kirk/Spock!! TO the point of dangerous obsession! I feel like screaming "OH MY GOD! QUIT PRETENDING ALREADY JUST KISS HIM!" at the TV

10/11/2011 #13 Report