
3/12/2018 c38
14TheVampireStrahd
I found this story sometime last week when perusing another author's favorite stories list. I'm glad I clicked on the link and spent the past few days reading this from beginning to the current chapter.
This has been very enjoyable to read. I like how the Protoss and then the Terrans find Azeroth and interacted with the heroes of the world. Garithos is a good villain, and Arthas and Kel'Thuzad are still loose. They have plans on bringing Ner'zhul back as the Lich King. Jaina has to know that Arthas is out there leading the Undead. With Zac and Illidan on the move north, I'm guessing they are journeying to Northrend to have an epic fight with Arthas and that lich. That would give Zac a good death.
While much of the focus has been on Lordaeron for the most part, any plans on King Varian Wynn and Stormwind faction entering the saga? He would no settle for whatever bullcrap that Garithos would be spewing. What about the Tauren on Kalimdor?

I found this story sometime last week when perusing another author's favorite stories list. I'm glad I clicked on the link and spent the past few days reading this from beginning to the current chapter.
This has been very enjoyable to read. I like how the Protoss and then the Terrans find Azeroth and interacted with the heroes of the world. Garithos is a good villain, and Arthas and Kel'Thuzad are still loose. They have plans on bringing Ner'zhul back as the Lich King. Jaina has to know that Arthas is out there leading the Undead. With Zac and Illidan on the move north, I'm guessing they are journeying to Northrend to have an epic fight with Arthas and that lich. That would give Zac a good death.
While much of the focus has been on Lordaeron for the most part, any plans on King Varian Wynn and Stormwind faction entering the saga? He would no settle for whatever bullcrap that Garithos would be spewing. What about the Tauren on Kalimdor?
3/2/2018 c38 Guest
Still love this story and am happy to see its progress after...wow how long has it been? But just as before I'm always happy to pitch crossover ideas from my two favorite franchises.
Still love this story and am happy to see its progress after...wow how long has it been? But just as before I'm always happy to pitch crossover ideas from my two favorite franchises.
3/2/2018 c38
46Anime Borat
The impact of change isn't always felt by two cultures and peoples with disparities in advancement: early mechanical inventions that led to the industrial revolution had been blamed for stealing jobs and are often destroyed by disgruntled workers. People initially scorned books made by the Gutenberg press as cheap, low-quality alternatives to hand-copied books made by monks with their intricate illuminated text. None of the belligerents fully appreciated the impact of the machine-gun and modern artillery before WW1, with devastating results. On the flipside, Japan progressed to parity with the West in a few short decades due to genuine interest in Western knowledge and a strong ethic of work and learning. Careful political maneuvering kept it from falling to any foreign power, whereas China declined due to cultural stagnation as a result of its isolationist policy, poor foreign relations, and domestic social tensions. Russia, Japan's opponent in the Russo-Japanese War, while a European nation, was a feudal backwater playing catch-up, ill at ease with its neighbors who progressed quickly, reactionary to its own society's need for real change.
A few ideas about how Garithos is exited in the story:
-He faces trial for his war crimes including working with necromancers, colluding with demons, and his abusive leadership.
-He dies in combat, by which material evidence of his crimes are revealed.
-He survives and escapes, only to meet his reckoning from his demon "creditors."
I wonder when Sylvanas realize the treachery in her home after she makes it safe and sound.

The impact of change isn't always felt by two cultures and peoples with disparities in advancement: early mechanical inventions that led to the industrial revolution had been blamed for stealing jobs and are often destroyed by disgruntled workers. People initially scorned books made by the Gutenberg press as cheap, low-quality alternatives to hand-copied books made by monks with their intricate illuminated text. None of the belligerents fully appreciated the impact of the machine-gun and modern artillery before WW1, with devastating results. On the flipside, Japan progressed to parity with the West in a few short decades due to genuine interest in Western knowledge and a strong ethic of work and learning. Careful political maneuvering kept it from falling to any foreign power, whereas China declined due to cultural stagnation as a result of its isolationist policy, poor foreign relations, and domestic social tensions. Russia, Japan's opponent in the Russo-Japanese War, while a European nation, was a feudal backwater playing catch-up, ill at ease with its neighbors who progressed quickly, reactionary to its own society's need for real change.
A few ideas about how Garithos is exited in the story:
-He faces trial for his war crimes including working with necromancers, colluding with demons, and his abusive leadership.
-He dies in combat, by which material evidence of his crimes are revealed.
-He survives and escapes, only to meet his reckoning from his demon "creditors."
I wonder when Sylvanas realize the treachery in her home after she makes it safe and sound.
3/2/2018 c38 King Rocket
"Good intentions or not. Xel'naga really messed up the Protoss and Zerg."
Wait...did you played LotV? (Because if not, then this may be a little spoilery)
The lore revealed in the campaign literally stated that the Xel'naga only ever kick-start life, and never uplift it. They are practically a godlike race similar (and superior) to WoW's Titans. The Titans are ancient, but the Xel'nage are the literal FIRST LIFEFORMS in the entire MULTIVERSE. They are the first, and responsible for all life as we know it.
"At each universe creation, they seeds it with life, take on a physical form and observe their offsprings, but NEVER interfering. They have created the Protoss, Zerg, Terran, and countless other races in other universes."
The faults in this argument lay with only one individual (aka Amon) and not the Xel'naga race. Amon was the one breaking the rule and uplifted the Protoss, altered the Zerg, murdered the life bringers, and initiated the End War for his own mad/selfish reason.
"Good intentions or not. Xel'naga really messed up the Protoss and Zerg."
Wait...did you played LotV? (Because if not, then this may be a little spoilery)
The lore revealed in the campaign literally stated that the Xel'naga only ever kick-start life, and never uplift it. They are practically a godlike race similar (and superior) to WoW's Titans. The Titans are ancient, but the Xel'nage are the literal FIRST LIFEFORMS in the entire MULTIVERSE. They are the first, and responsible for all life as we know it.
"At each universe creation, they seeds it with life, take on a physical form and observe their offsprings, but NEVER interfering. They have created the Protoss, Zerg, Terran, and countless other races in other universes."
The faults in this argument lay with only one individual (aka Amon) and not the Xel'naga race. Amon was the one breaking the rule and uplifted the Protoss, altered the Zerg, murdered the life bringers, and initiated the End War for his own mad/selfish reason.
3/1/2018 c38
13ImperialStar
Only and exclusive in a fictional story happen thats.
If that happen in the real life a end in a fail is only for a great and infinite incompetent.

Only and exclusive in a fictional story happen thats.
If that happen in the real life a end in a fail is only for a great and infinite incompetent.
3/1/2018 c38 Guest
Reggie: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Xerxes: Brought peace?
Reggie: Oh, peace? SHUT UP!
Caesar: "Our ancestors, Fathers of the Senate, were never lacking either in wisdom or courage, and yet pride did not keep them from adopting foreign institutions, provided they were honourable. They took their offensive and defensive weapons from the Samnites, the badges of their magistrates for the most part from the Etruscans. In fine, whatever they found suitable among allies or foes, they put in practice at home with the greatest enthusiasm, preferring to imitate rather than envy the successful."
It is absolutely true that the Romans (like the Greeks before them) saw themselves as superior over barbarians (i.e. non-Romans: other Italian tribes, Greeks, Gauls, Germans, Britannics, Persians, Judeans et al.) but that superiority was civic and military. The cultural and intellectual nationalism of the Romantic era (which underpinned colonialist propaganda) was not really a thing for the ancient Romans. During the Punic Wars, the Romans admitted to have reverse-engineered Carthaginian triremes to match their rivals on sea, and even during the third and final Carthaginian war, express orders were given to preserve Carthaginian texts and other knowledge about agriculture for their benefit. The Romans were also remorseful about killing Archimedes (who allied with the Carthaginians) during the siege of Syracuse, as well as accidentally burning the library of Alexandria during Caesar's invasion.
Likewise, the Romans admitted that Greeks were superior to them in language and culture despite conquering and subjugating them. Caesar admitted that Egyptian astronomers were smarter than Romans and borrowed from them to devise the Julian calendar. Indeed, part of the reasons why Romans were so proud and smug was because they saw themselves as the underdog defeating and subjugating smarter, richer and more powerful civilizations. The Romans also were big on syncretism and always hungry for new religious fads and despite the fact that the Persian Empires of Parthia and Sassanid were historical holdouts against the Romans, they still borrowed stuff from Persian culture most notably the highly popular Mithras and Manichean beliefs which could have potentially displaced Christianity being that they were far more popular among the lower-classes than Christianity was for a while.
Nazis gave us development of rocket technology, first anti-smoking and environmental and animal protection laws
Many infrastructure projects in former colonies were built by the colonizers. Of course, mostly for entirely self-serving reasons (most railway lines will link a mine to a port rather than two major cities) but several countries in Africa have not notably extended their railway network since colonial times. With the rise of China as a global power, Chinese investment is building railway lines, highways, ports and other infrastructure - again mostly for entirely self-serving reasons, but the countries which receive this type of self-serving "aid" are not exactly in a position where numerous investors line up around the block to give credits at favorable rates.
Reggie: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Xerxes: Brought peace?
Reggie: Oh, peace? SHUT UP!
Caesar: "Our ancestors, Fathers of the Senate, were never lacking either in wisdom or courage, and yet pride did not keep them from adopting foreign institutions, provided they were honourable. They took their offensive and defensive weapons from the Samnites, the badges of their magistrates for the most part from the Etruscans. In fine, whatever they found suitable among allies or foes, they put in practice at home with the greatest enthusiasm, preferring to imitate rather than envy the successful."
It is absolutely true that the Romans (like the Greeks before them) saw themselves as superior over barbarians (i.e. non-Romans: other Italian tribes, Greeks, Gauls, Germans, Britannics, Persians, Judeans et al.) but that superiority was civic and military. The cultural and intellectual nationalism of the Romantic era (which underpinned colonialist propaganda) was not really a thing for the ancient Romans. During the Punic Wars, the Romans admitted to have reverse-engineered Carthaginian triremes to match their rivals on sea, and even during the third and final Carthaginian war, express orders were given to preserve Carthaginian texts and other knowledge about agriculture for their benefit. The Romans were also remorseful about killing Archimedes (who allied with the Carthaginians) during the siege of Syracuse, as well as accidentally burning the library of Alexandria during Caesar's invasion.
Likewise, the Romans admitted that Greeks were superior to them in language and culture despite conquering and subjugating them. Caesar admitted that Egyptian astronomers were smarter than Romans and borrowed from them to devise the Julian calendar. Indeed, part of the reasons why Romans were so proud and smug was because they saw themselves as the underdog defeating and subjugating smarter, richer and more powerful civilizations. The Romans also were big on syncretism and always hungry for new religious fads and despite the fact that the Persian Empires of Parthia and Sassanid were historical holdouts against the Romans, they still borrowed stuff from Persian culture most notably the highly popular Mithras and Manichean beliefs which could have potentially displaced Christianity being that they were far more popular among the lower-classes than Christianity was for a while.
Nazis gave us development of rocket technology, first anti-smoking and environmental and animal protection laws
Many infrastructure projects in former colonies were built by the colonizers. Of course, mostly for entirely self-serving reasons (most railway lines will link a mine to a port rather than two major cities) but several countries in Africa have not notably extended their railway network since colonial times. With the rise of China as a global power, Chinese investment is building railway lines, highways, ports and other infrastructure - again mostly for entirely self-serving reasons, but the countries which receive this type of self-serving "aid" are not exactly in a position where numerous investors line up around the block to give credits at favorable rates.
3/1/2018 c38 Guest
There will always be some exploitation, the best and brightest will elevate themselves over the common man, it’s nature, best for the species, it improves the standard of living of the human race as a whole, as long as they don’t kill anyone or otherwise actively oppress, free trade and enterprise is the only thing that has ever led to long lasting meaningful peace
Not easy balancing liberty, prosperity and social stability, all anarchy does is leave us at the mercy of every thug and psychopath, great for mighty warriors not so much for the average man
People want fatty foods, loud music, regular sex, and flickering television images more than they want justice
God made man Sam Colt made them equal
A civilized man accuses specific individuals of specific crimes felony and fraud otherwise people should mind their own business this does not mean we ignore things that aren't evil but are nevertheless dangerous
A certain amount of ruthlessness, ambition and desire for wealth is needed to get ahead in business. Ambition is about human achievement it’s only when this is taken too far (completely unfair to employees, consumers, or the environment) that’s it’s bad
Alternatively, utterly ruthless out of a fanatical dream to use his company to remake the world in the image of something he holds dear, for the greater good. Or alternatively he HAS to keep anything functioning or otherwise doing anything worthwhile because the alternatives are worse for everyone
he can and does make lots and lots of even more money with mundane means
Most corporate executives are simply businessmen who do their jobs, without overreaching or using unethical methods.
The man knows how business works, learns from others who have succeeded, and doesn't mind playing a bit dirty to achieve his goals.
The local/state/federal government's obscenely complicated regulations make it impossible for him to profit in the first place.
The person begins to start making quite a bit of money, so his even larger competitors make a "donation" to the re-election campaign of a powerful Senator. Said Senator then pushes for a whole slate of regulations that make it impossible for said person's business to continue making a profit.
The person's business becomes a great success. However, because he hired non-Union labor (he wouldn't have been able to afford Union labor, only bigger corporate competitors can), the Unions finance an Astroturf protest outside his business calling him a monstrous exploiter. The firestorm of public abuse drives him to sell his business to his competitors, thus reducing competition in the industry and resulting in every consumer paying much higher prices.
The person's business actually does fully succeed and make him a multi-millionaire. The amount of work said person had to do in order to get there means said person has very little leisure time to actually enjoy the wealth; said person is Married to the Job and hence has very few relationships
...So he devotes his life and fortune to serving the community, giving back to the impoverished classes he was once a part of
Those in charge pacify the people by making sure they are comfortable. The villains at the top realize the dangers of a 0% Approval Rating and attempt to "buy over" the people in the most effective way possible: by improving their quality of life.
The government ensures a stable, if not always comfortable status quo. Simply put, there is peace in a sense and there is enough food to keep everyone alive. If the government is toppled, mayhem will ensue and nobody wants that, even if things may eventually become better—and there's no guarantee that they will.
The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't. Sure, the people in charge are bad enough, but take a good hard look at who will take their place, look at all the others lurking out there—at home and abroad—waiting for the chance to take over—or worse, stage a civil war over who gets to grab the reins of the power vacuum, with attendant cross-fire. NO THANKS
There are good and bad rich people and there are good and bad poor people and there are good and bad middle class people
There are no human rights without property rights
when you're hungry and you want to feed your starving family you steal bread to survive
Work out the logistics don't give some pie in the sky BS
asking people to lay down their lives for a higher cause believe in is not the same as asking them to just lay down and die it is wrong and stupid to ask someone to give up their self-preservation instincts
thieves have to be clever, quick, and brave, bootlickers only have to lick boots true the snob mentality isn't something they've created and is a major problem we all need to deal with but you shouldn't ask someone to give up their pride and dignity either and them acting like school bullies doesn't help
there are times to stand up for yourself and times to swallow your pride
Without property rights there are no human rights
Not everyone gets a trust fund or post scarcity when you’re hungry you become a thief or killer if you have to
I have a family f* you and your high and mighty B.S. we little people can’t depend on you at all times
Society's failures to provide for the elderly, the infirm, and the young (though we must also teach them to take care of themselves when they grow up) it must also not take away someone's pride and dignity some would rather die than give up their pride one shouldn't force them to live with shame and humiliation
A man's motives are second to his accomplishments say you want to make a statement about the third of the planet that is starving to death so you light yourself on fire in front of an embassy, but you don't actually help a single child, but if you go to these places to build a legitimate business and make money and actually develop the country and improve their standard of living you actually DO help
Robin Hood fought against unfair taxes not the honest merchants
forced charity is not charity
Yes a Mega Corp can screw you over for your money just like a government can but it's usually killing the goose that lays the golden egg, there is no glory in ruling over starving beat down idiots but strong healthy people
A flat tax does help everyone so who cares if it helps the wealthy more, stop crying the other boy was faster so that's why he gets a trophy we're all going out for ice cream so shut up
American Dream is not picket fence etc, what people forget is it's the PURSUIT of happiness not do nothing and get a roof, food, etc., it's a chance to save your pennies and then get an education with no one saying you can't rise above your station simply "Independence" surviving in life depend not on your connections to the powerful few, but rather by one's own diligence, hard work, and a bit of luck, the Ankh-Morporkian Dream, that of "making boatloads of cash in a place where your death was not likely to be a matter of public policy"
redistribution of wealth usually does more harm than good
There will always be some exploitation, the best and brightest will elevate themselves over the common man, it’s nature, best for the species, it improves the standard of living of the human race as a whole, as long as they don’t kill anyone or otherwise actively oppress, free trade and enterprise is the only thing that has ever led to long lasting meaningful peace
Not easy balancing liberty, prosperity and social stability, all anarchy does is leave us at the mercy of every thug and psychopath, great for mighty warriors not so much for the average man
People want fatty foods, loud music, regular sex, and flickering television images more than they want justice
God made man Sam Colt made them equal
A civilized man accuses specific individuals of specific crimes felony and fraud otherwise people should mind their own business this does not mean we ignore things that aren't evil but are nevertheless dangerous
A certain amount of ruthlessness, ambition and desire for wealth is needed to get ahead in business. Ambition is about human achievement it’s only when this is taken too far (completely unfair to employees, consumers, or the environment) that’s it’s bad
Alternatively, utterly ruthless out of a fanatical dream to use his company to remake the world in the image of something he holds dear, for the greater good. Or alternatively he HAS to keep anything functioning or otherwise doing anything worthwhile because the alternatives are worse for everyone
he can and does make lots and lots of even more money with mundane means
Most corporate executives are simply businessmen who do their jobs, without overreaching or using unethical methods.
The man knows how business works, learns from others who have succeeded, and doesn't mind playing a bit dirty to achieve his goals.
The local/state/federal government's obscenely complicated regulations make it impossible for him to profit in the first place.
The person begins to start making quite a bit of money, so his even larger competitors make a "donation" to the re-election campaign of a powerful Senator. Said Senator then pushes for a whole slate of regulations that make it impossible for said person's business to continue making a profit.
The person's business becomes a great success. However, because he hired non-Union labor (he wouldn't have been able to afford Union labor, only bigger corporate competitors can), the Unions finance an Astroturf protest outside his business calling him a monstrous exploiter. The firestorm of public abuse drives him to sell his business to his competitors, thus reducing competition in the industry and resulting in every consumer paying much higher prices.
The person's business actually does fully succeed and make him a multi-millionaire. The amount of work said person had to do in order to get there means said person has very little leisure time to actually enjoy the wealth; said person is Married to the Job and hence has very few relationships
...So he devotes his life and fortune to serving the community, giving back to the impoverished classes he was once a part of
Those in charge pacify the people by making sure they are comfortable. The villains at the top realize the dangers of a 0% Approval Rating and attempt to "buy over" the people in the most effective way possible: by improving their quality of life.
The government ensures a stable, if not always comfortable status quo. Simply put, there is peace in a sense and there is enough food to keep everyone alive. If the government is toppled, mayhem will ensue and nobody wants that, even if things may eventually become better—and there's no guarantee that they will.
The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't. Sure, the people in charge are bad enough, but take a good hard look at who will take their place, look at all the others lurking out there—at home and abroad—waiting for the chance to take over—or worse, stage a civil war over who gets to grab the reins of the power vacuum, with attendant cross-fire. NO THANKS
There are good and bad rich people and there are good and bad poor people and there are good and bad middle class people
There are no human rights without property rights
when you're hungry and you want to feed your starving family you steal bread to survive
Work out the logistics don't give some pie in the sky BS
asking people to lay down their lives for a higher cause believe in is not the same as asking them to just lay down and die it is wrong and stupid to ask someone to give up their self-preservation instincts
thieves have to be clever, quick, and brave, bootlickers only have to lick boots true the snob mentality isn't something they've created and is a major problem we all need to deal with but you shouldn't ask someone to give up their pride and dignity either and them acting like school bullies doesn't help
there are times to stand up for yourself and times to swallow your pride
Without property rights there are no human rights
Not everyone gets a trust fund or post scarcity when you’re hungry you become a thief or killer if you have to
I have a family f* you and your high and mighty B.S. we little people can’t depend on you at all times
Society's failures to provide for the elderly, the infirm, and the young (though we must also teach them to take care of themselves when they grow up) it must also not take away someone's pride and dignity some would rather die than give up their pride one shouldn't force them to live with shame and humiliation
A man's motives are second to his accomplishments say you want to make a statement about the third of the planet that is starving to death so you light yourself on fire in front of an embassy, but you don't actually help a single child, but if you go to these places to build a legitimate business and make money and actually develop the country and improve their standard of living you actually DO help
Robin Hood fought against unfair taxes not the honest merchants
forced charity is not charity
Yes a Mega Corp can screw you over for your money just like a government can but it's usually killing the goose that lays the golden egg, there is no glory in ruling over starving beat down idiots but strong healthy people
A flat tax does help everyone so who cares if it helps the wealthy more, stop crying the other boy was faster so that's why he gets a trophy we're all going out for ice cream so shut up
American Dream is not picket fence etc, what people forget is it's the PURSUIT of happiness not do nothing and get a roof, food, etc., it's a chance to save your pennies and then get an education with no one saying you can't rise above your station simply "Independence" surviving in life depend not on your connections to the powerful few, but rather by one's own diligence, hard work, and a bit of luck, the Ankh-Morporkian Dream, that of "making boatloads of cash in a place where your death was not likely to be a matter of public policy"
redistribution of wealth usually does more harm than good
3/1/2018 c38 Guest
Everyone deserves post scarcity
Everyone deserves post scarcity
3/1/2018 c38 Guest
So you shouldn't save baby because he might turn into the next Hitler
So you shouldn't save baby because he might turn into the next Hitler
3/1/2018 c38 Guest
You can practice charity without being an imperialist exploitive jerk
You can practice charity without being an imperialist exploitive jerk
2/17/2018 c6 The Qrow
Once again, Speech. Remember the lich king? Frostmourne hungers, charge, kill them, bring me their souls e.t.c. Thats the thing he uses. He don't NEED to compose grand speech for moral since he already control them all. His army doesn't run, they don't fear, they don't hesitate because the lich king rules them all much like the overmind does for the zerg.
Once again, Speech. Remember the lich king? Frostmourne hungers, charge, kill them, bring me their souls e.t.c. Thats the thing he uses. He don't NEED to compose grand speech for moral since he already control them all. His army doesn't run, they don't fear, they don't hesitate because the lich king rules them all much like the overmind does for the zerg.
2/17/2018 c5 The Qrow
Hmmm I feel you need to work on the speech of certain characters. The conversation between the night elf Freja and Zerathul just didn't seem real. Zerathul doesn't speak like that and the words Freja spoke just didn't seem like words that would come out of a night elf you know? They tend to speak in a more regal voice much like the protoss themselves. If you remember the games then the Protoss mention Aiur and Khala in basiaclly every other sentence and night elves mentions nature, sister and elune in theirs. You need to remember that these aren't humans, they have a completly different nature and you need to reflect that when writing.
Hmmm I feel you need to work on the speech of certain characters. The conversation between the night elf Freja and Zerathul just didn't seem real. Zerathul doesn't speak like that and the words Freja spoke just didn't seem like words that would come out of a night elf you know? They tend to speak in a more regal voice much like the protoss themselves. If you remember the games then the Protoss mention Aiur and Khala in basiaclly every other sentence and night elves mentions nature, sister and elune in theirs. You need to remember that these aren't humans, they have a completly different nature and you need to reflect that when writing.
2/17/2018 c2 The Qrow
Well sure the Templars technology is powerful but you need to remember that Azaroth have pure magic on their side. I mean shields are good but if the enemy is calling down meteors upon them even they can't hold forever. Earthquakes, thunderstorms, thornados, elementals, dragons e.t.c. All would stand to do a great deal of harm to the Protos.
Anyhow so far the story has been great. I'm eager to see where it will go next.
Well sure the Templars technology is powerful but you need to remember that Azaroth have pure magic on their side. I mean shields are good but if the enemy is calling down meteors upon them even they can't hold forever. Earthquakes, thunderstorms, thornados, elementals, dragons e.t.c. All would stand to do a great deal of harm to the Protos.
Anyhow so far the story has been great. I'm eager to see where it will go next.