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TAPIR Admin Announcement Thread: Beware of TAPIR Impostors posting anon reviews! (They are not us)
A HorusTheAvenger

Due to real life circumstances, we are having some staffing changes.

Am happy to announce that O Long Johnson has now joined the ranks of the forum moderators for TAPIR.

Congratulations, O Long Johnson!

10/6/2013 #61 Report
Make FFN Sensible Again

O Long deserves the promotion. Enough said.

Horus, can you add this one to the banned list?

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/97825290/1/ FFNID-5202339-SchoolBooksDoNotReadMyStories-Misc-B ooks-Resolved-Banned

10/6/2013 #62 Report
M O Long Johnson

Horus, when you're available these can be marked as deleted:

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98047648/1/ FFNID-2756073-Amortentia-Malfoy-Active-Copyright

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/91309552/1/ FFNID-2193173-Rat001-Transformers-Inconclusive-Cop yright#98133208

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/82669862/1/ Report-FFNID-4240941-Lightningtrailblazer42-Naruto -Active#98130121

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98082402/1/ FFNID-4645056-Tom-Riddles-Babe-Active-Copyright#98 113383

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/97989781/1/ FFNID-2284660-Nichole-Monroe-Active-Copyright#9803 7646

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/96125626/1/ Report-FFNID-4079881-Fluffy-Fanfictions-of-doom-He talia-Axis-Powers#97898883

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/97790810/1/ FFNID4228209-ifonlyfredweasleyhadlived-Harry-Potte r-active-copyright#97834121

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/87173927/1/ Report-FFNID-4642452-Lord-Sneaky-Harry-Potter-Acti ve#97792215

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/94024839/1/ Report-FFNID-4807537-Percy-Jackson-and-the-Olympia ns-Active-Copyrighted#97777295

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/94045877/1/ Report-FFNID-2674065-TheAngelsCryInBlood-Harry-Pot ter-Copyrighted#97777282

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/96534189/1/ Report-FFNID-3412726-mauderette-47-Harry-Potter-in active-copyright#97777261

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/94149499/1/ Report-FFNID-4145516-Percy-Jackson-and-the-Olympia ns-Active-Copyrighted#97776782

Something to look into concerning their status:

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/93711260/1/ Report-FFNID-4642793-SonicDash777-multifandom-acti ve-copyright#97504202

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/95564963/1/ Report-FFNID-5073083-NyanNyan-suru-Kateyko-Hitman- Reborn#97023970

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/96257828/1/ Plagiarist-FFN-ID-3409767-Miss-Faber-active-NSFW#9 6808565

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/92170855/1/ Report-FFNID-1819136-Starzilla-multifandom-active- copyright#96341267

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/91450936/1/ Report-FFNID-1973815-Musical-Ninja-Multi-fandom-Ac tive-Copyright#94020567

10/8/2013 #63 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Thanks Johnson. Appreciate not having to go through each thread to check which needs title updates.

10/8/2013 #64 Report
M O Long Johnson

Two more:

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/92039039/1/ Report-FFNID-1149425-Shabon-Flurry-mutlifandom-act ive-copyright#92087327

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/87287019/1/ Report-FFNID-3787492-TransfromerZim-Invader-Zim-In active#98263080

10/10/2013 #65 Report
M RogueMudblood

changed Shabon Flurry since that was mine

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/91309552/1/ FFNID-2193173-Rat001-Transformers-Inconclusive-Cop yright-Resolved-Story-Deleted needs to have the 'deleted' tag removed.

10/10/2013 #66 Report
M O Long Johnson

More to be tagged as "Deleted"; will probably be edited due to the amount of story deletion going on.

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/87803565/1/ Report-FFNID-1777562-eyteen-Final-Fantasy-Twilight -Inactive

Edit: more that can be marked as deleted

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/88462647/1/ FFNID-9652-Dirk-Gibson2000-Animorphs-Extinct#98679 656

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/83284535/1/ Report-FFNID-1339488-lily05-Power-Rangers-Inactive #98679356

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/93711260/1/ Report-FFNID-4642793-SonicDash777-multifandom-acti ve-copyright#98671890

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/96646859/1/ Report-FFNID-3692212-Caroline-Salvatore-Bleach-Act ive-NSFW#98638840

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98569143/1/ FFNID-4523433-CheckersChance2-Active-Copyright#986 01375

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/91333534/1/ Report-FFNID-2925058-DemetriaJonas-Jonas-RPF-Camp- Rock-Inactive#98595859

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/87799764/1/ Report-FFNID-41063-Luvin-Lily-Harry-Potter-Inactiv e#98590338

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/93979891/1/ FFNID-4087059-Littlespottedcat-Avatar-TLA-Active-C opyrighted#98589391

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/91672653/1/ FFNID-3504059-lmaoLMAO-Glee-Inactive#98588201

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98082402/1/ FFNID-4645056-Tom-Riddles-Babe-Active-Copyright#98 586953

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/94020012/1/ FFNID-2324798-Dimcairien-Harry-Potter-Active-Copyr ight#98586882

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/88106504/1/ FFNID-4754077-apemman7-Harry-Potter-Repeat-Offende r#98586410

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/96257828/1/ Plagiarist-FFN-ID-3409767-Miss-Faber-active-NSFW#9 8585975

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/88418857/1/ Report-FFNID-3373377-tooz-Bleach-Naruto-active#985 85907

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/92033310/1/ FFNID-999375-eyes-of-a-wolf-swan-princess-inactive #98584885

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/92033671/1/ FFNID-1721999-TheMostAwesomenessSpiderMonkey-Swan- Princess-Inactive#98584789

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98495205/1/ FFNID-4439933-nightshadow28-Active-Copyright#98583 375

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/93887062/1/ FFNID-2163226-Shadow42225-Penguins-of-Madagascar-A ctive-Copyright-DO-NOT-REPORT#98689277

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/96619420/1/ FFNID-2246285-Renee-Niels-Kingdom-Hearts-Nintendo- Inactive-Copyright#98391968

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98355807/1/ FFNID8105695-Angelfabeth-Percy-Jackson-copyright-a ctive#98387592

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/93907228/1/ FFNID-4690084-john-knox-9484-Avatar-TLA-Active-Cop yrighted#98356361

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/95748083/1/ Report-FFNID-990976-Dakari-King-Mykan-Copyright-Ac tive-Hostile#98338156

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/93718429/1/ FFNID-4481516-DarkSecretWaterbender-Avatar-TLA-Act ive-Copyrighted#98338028

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98286589/1/ FFNID-9087525-LastTruth-Percy-Jackson-active-copyr ight#98320332

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98265674/1/ FFNID-4513757-Adaven-Active-Copyright#98317495

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/98283852/1/ FFNID-4473318-crazhetalia-Active-Copyright#9829784 2

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/94107891/1/ Report-FFNID-2618719-Multiple-Fandoms-Active-Copyr ighted#98689785

10/12/2013 . Edited 10/17/2013 #67 Report
Make FFN Sensible Again

I have a request. Is is possible to delete duplicate postings?

10/22/2013 #68 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

If accidental double post, do not see why not.

If duplicate case threads, would just lock one after leaving link to the main thread to keep record of who reported the 2nd time.

10/22/2013 #69 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Newsflash: Xing has kindly responded to our request to enable Thread title editing for forum mods.

This means O Long Johnson, Luna, and Izraill can now update tags for case threads as well. Rejoice.

Now if they would just have nocopy disabled by default, might start getting really optimistic about FFN.

10/23/2013 #70 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Hear from some other mods that the mod thread topic edit still not working.

Can any TAPIR mods confirm?

10/23/2013 #71 Report
Izraill

Just tested it. It works prefectly.

10/23/2013 #72 Report
M O Long Johnson

Works for me too.

10/23/2013 #73 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Thank you for confirming. Perhaps they just needed time for changes to take effect. At least will not have to go back to blog about that issue.

10/23/2013 #74 Report
Make FFN Sensible Again

I would like to make a public service announcement, courtesy of my friend Batthan.

[Post removed]

11/8/2013 . Edited by HorusTheAvenger, 11/8/2013 #75 Report
The Warty Hogg

In other words, Keep Calm and Carry On.

11/8/2013 #76 Report
Make FFN Sensible Again

I apologize for spamming the forum. I just posted the message out of genuine concern.

Warty: I actually wrote an instruction manual on removing rogue software once for a Tech Writing Class.

11/8/2013 . Edited 11/8/2013 #77 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Thank you Warty.

A reminder: In case it was not clear before, this thread is for TAPIR related news and announcements. Everything else unrelated to existing threads should go into the chat thread.

Appreciate the intention was benign, but, please try not to post unverified information on the board even on chat thread. Always check your sources first before passing on such 'warnings'. If unsure, posting to discuss is ok, but mention it somewhere on the post that it is unverified. Remember, there are always people out there seeking to manipulate others, it would do well to not fall into their trap by making a habit of checking first, just like we do for plagiarism cases.

11/8/2013 #78 Report
Make FFN Sensible Again

Understood Horus. I should've posted this on the chat.

11/8/2013 #79 Report
M O Long Johnson

Horus, been wanting to discuss two C1 cases I'm uncertain about, both relate to Harry Potter.

https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/101246807/1/Report-FFNID-4781243-Amber-Rose-Black-Harry-Potter-Active-Copyrighted-Hostile#101275822

https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/101036816/1/Report-FFNID-4781243-DRacoManiacx24-Harry-Potter-Active-Copyrighted-Hostile#101102652

While these two are similar to the plot of the first HP book, they don't technically contain any copyright text. So does that qualify them under the 25/33 threshold?

Or is it still copyright infringement by simply having a similar beginning as the HP book? With the OC and her brother Harry living at 4 Privet Drive, waking up to the nastiness of the Dursleys, blah, blah, blah, and then getting an acceptance letter at hogwarts, meeting Hermione and Ron, ect. Cliche, yes. Copyright infringing, I"m not so certain.

Some users might have a different interpretation of copyright infringement than this forum, and I'm wondering if that's the case here?

11/27/2013 . Edited 11/27/2013 #80 Report
M RogueMudblood

Stealing the plot is what they're doing. That's plagiarism. We're not talking about just having magic and wizards and witches and a group that exists outside the bounds of normal perception - we're talking about taking the plot of Harry Potter, in its entirety of the first two chapters, and paring it down in order to post it as original content.

Chapter two of Amber Rose Black's takes dialogue directly from Chamber of Secrets. As does chapter three.

Out of curiosity, have you read the Harry Potter books? Because this isn't just "using the address and blah blah blah" - this is not just behavior that's canon - this is outright plagiarism of plot.

11/27/2013 #81 Report
M O Long Johnson

I have read some of the books Rogue, though I confess I'm the least familiar with the second one. I've seen worse plagiarism of plot where users literally insert a female oc but keep everything else verbatim. In my inquiry to Horus, I admit that I'm not entirely sure how far similarity of plot has to go to count as plagiarism, it's always been a grey area in this forum. However, as a mod I'm also taking into consideration of this forum's 25/33% limit.

It's something I want to clarify, but you make a good case. We'll see what Horus has to say.

11/27/2013 . Edited 11/27/2013 #82 Report
M RogueMudblood

I've not done a word count to check the 25/33 limit.

I will say this regarding plot plagiarism: Vanilla Ice has one big hit that everyone remembers - "Ice, Ice, Baby." But the music is plagiarised. He stole it from Queen and David Bowie. He changed it "slightly" and recorded his lyrics over it - and was sued as a result. He settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. Micheal Bolton was sued by the Isley Brothers for taking only parts of their song. He was ordered to pay $5.4 million in reparation. Johnny Cash was sued by Gordon Jenkins for using sections of a song word-for-word. Settlement was completed out of court.

In fact, Avril Lavigne settled out of court for a song we've listed as being hers in this forum - that she apparently stole parts of from The Rubinoos - "Girlfriend."

Led Zepplin has had to settle many cases of claims of copyright infringement and plagiarism - because of similarities like this.

While I appreciate you're wanting to clarify this, I also want to make the point that this is plagiarism. Rowling will defend her rights - www.welt.de/english-news/article2416332/J-K-Rowling-wins-copyright-infringement-case.html

The point I'm trying to get across is that just because it's not an exact copy does not mean it's not plagiarism. Here's a discussion which may interest you on the matter: www.copyrightguru.com/belmont_classes/IntellectualProperties/LectureNotes/topic7_infringement/topic7_infringement.htm#Substantial Similarity

And I've just learned that Xing is actually guilty of "vicarious copyright infringement" as well as "contributory copyright infringement" so at least I learned something new - actual terms for Xing's illegal actions.

11/27/2013 . Edited 7/3/2015 #83 Report
M O Long Johnson

While I appreciate you're wanting to clarify this, I also want to make the point that this is plagiarism.

That may be the case, and I'm not arguing that you're wrong but what I'm asking Horus is if these cases will be accepted by this forum. Nothing is stopping any reports that can be made about those stories outside it.

It's not the first time this forum has rejected cases where a story was similar to the original, might even have a few lines from the original, but went under 25/33% threshold.

https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/94066825/1/FFNID-3124162-Luna-de-Rivera-Avatar-TLA-Active-Copyrighted-Resolved-Under-Threshold#94535864

https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/93944223/1/FFNID-2822791-Ponds-Rose-Avatar-TLA-Active-Copyrighted-Resolved-Under-Threshold#95081149

However, a word count might prove otherwise with those stories.

But at the end of the day, it's Horus's call.

11/27/2013 . Edited 11/27/2013 #84 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Horus, been wanting to discuss two C1 cases I'm uncertain about, both relate to Harry Potter.

https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/101246807/1/Report-FFNID-4781243-Amber-Rose-Black-Harry-Potter-Active-Copyrighted-Hostile#101275822

https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/101036816/1/Report-FFNID-4781243-DRacoManiacx24-Harry-Potter-Active-Copyrighted-Hostile#10110265

While these two are similar to the plot of the first HP book, they don't technically contain any copyright text. So does that qualify them under the 25/33 threshold?

The first one contains copyrighted text, but with tweaks and mispellings. Would say the first chapter is over threshold, not sure about rest, will check later.

Second one appears to have been taken down?

11/28/2013 #85 Report
M O Long Johnson

Huh, didn't know it got taken down. Narrows the case down then.

11/28/2013 #86 Report
Izraill

I am leaving TAPIR.

I was one of the first --if not the first-- to be here with Horus and saw the forum grow in the time before my longest hiatus (and even during it I often lurked around) and have gotten attached to this little piece of the internet. However, things have gone ways I did not expect them to go.

I will always support the fight against plagiarism and copyright infringement and it was good to hang around here, although it wouldn't surprise me if the newer visitors don't even know me. But unfortunately, I can no longer be mod of this forum for reasons I do not wish to talk about in this space. I do not know if I'll ever come back here as a visitor, but with the current situation, I find it very unlikely.

I'm gonna miss most of you. I would say goodbye, but since the internet is smaller than we think we'll probably end up seeing us again somewhere sometime even if we don't realize it, so...

See you around.

-Izraill

-Ex-mod of The Plagiarism Report

12/3/2013 #87 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Thank you for everything, Izraill. Very sad to hear of this, but will respect your wishes.

Sent you a PM on the other matter. Intend to get to the bottom of this if we can.

12/4/2013 #88 Report
Make FFN Sensible Again

Izzy, we wish you nothing but the best. We'll miss you.

Horus, what do you think of promoting Warty as mod?

I'm not ready to be a mod yet, so promoting me would be out of the question.

12/4/2013 . Edited 12/4/2013 #89 Report
A HorusTheAvenger

Some important announcements to make:

Firstly, you will notice forum's name has changed to "The Anti-Plagiarism Investigation Reports". This is to consolidate names to match the acronym of TAPIR and reduce confusion.


Secondly, TAPIR will no longer be taking on Copyright Infringement only cases. Only cases where there is a clear intent to plagiarize work without crediting the author will be accepted from now on.

The reason: We have had a few incidents of misunderstanding since we have started taking on CI cases because authors mistook their cases to being incorrectly accused of plagiarism when it was actually a case a of CI. This misunderstanding probably also due to the title of the forum, which was originally meant to handle plagiarism cases only. This leads to a lot of unnecessary conflict, especially as a lot of the authors who unintentionally infringe copyright are actually against plagiarism as well and the idea of being accused of it is a serious and offensive thing to them. It is fair enough, as plagiarism and copyright infringement are offense that are not equal in gravity. There seems to be no point fighting amongst ourselves in this unnecessary matter.

Rogue has brought up a proposal in a recent case thread that we have also been considering for a while now, which is to split the forum so to distinguish between Plagiarism and Copyright Infringement-Only cases. Am all for this, because it would resolve a lot of the problems outlined above.

With this in mind, created a sub forum for CI purposes. We can lock the current CI only threads on TAPIR and copy them over to CIR to make a clean separation.

https://www.fanfiction.net/forum/Copyright-Infringement-Reports/145811/

Also, if anyone has an idea for better name for the sub forum, please suggest.

The only thing that bothers about this sub forum is that the category for the forum would not be correct, but not able to create 2 general forums due to FFN restriction . If any one thinks that is an issue and could be used against us, actually would prefer if one of the regular volunteers created a new general forum for CI only cases and we'll link to that instead. Really would not like to have to use 2nd account to create the CI forum. Logging in and out between accounts on FFN like pulling teeth.

Also, if we are using the sub forum, we will need at least 2 more moderators. Would suggest Warty for the first, if she is willing to take on the post, and taking suggestions for the 2nd candidate. Please suggest who you trust who has exhibited a good knowledge of copyright law.

And yes, know Rogue is an obvious choice here. The problem is, not sure if she would accept due to her other commitments, but if she does, it being her idea after all, the position is hers.

We also need to sit down and discuss the new rules for CI cases.

The most important is to lay out clear conditions for what constitutes as actionable CI. Also, we may have to look into a review of the 25%/33% rule. The rule was originally because there were too many cases of CI and we had to prioritize the bandwidth of volunteers, so we wanted to focus on the really serious cases and not just come down on an author because they quoted some lines from the canon they were writing a fanfic for. There seemed to be little point fighting for a case where there was no clear victim and the copying of the line did not have negative impact on the OA.

The 2nd is to lay out what is a procedure for dealing with CI, and how far we are prepared to go. In plagiarism cases we push very hard because fic authors do not have the clout published authors do, and they are the ones who need our help most in getting the stolen stories down. Sometimes just them reporting the case to the admins does not get the attention needed and we have to resort to escalating their cases on blog or mass email, and calling out the plagiarist and pressuring them to take down the stolen stories as well.

In fact, this is was the original purpose behind why TAPIR was formed.

For published authors and creators however, there is already an existing, more effective channel for them to get FFN to take action, which is the DMCA complaint email. So for CI only cases, do we stop pushing the case after we've finished gathering information and letting the admin and the original copyright owner know? We know how the system here works and are able to help them that way if they want to take further action, but as the OA already have the power and protection over their works, should we also expect them to take the responsibility for protecting their intellectual rights by doing their part and interacting with the FFN admin?

Anyway, feedback on the issue most appreciated before we take action. TAPIR is turning 1 year old at end of month, good time for a review and overhaul as any.

12/20/2013 #90 Report
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